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Hi all,
I solved the crash contagion re-appearing message. Sorry, it was
also my fault. I am trying to debug some email problems with the
list.
greetings
Hans-Cees
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> From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@cogeco.ca>
>
> > >Black Friday. Ease of access to guns. "Disintegration of family
> > >values." Even in the whole "going postal" thing there was some
> > >discussion of the "corporate culture" of the USPS which lead to
> > >greater employee stress and unhappiness. The media reports
> > >confound the issue, because you don't know whether or not the
> > >suicides would have happened if it weren't reported. I don't think
> > >there is ever an instance where someone commits suicide only
> > >because of the media, there is usually other stuff going on in
> > >their life. And there are certainly forces which
> effect
> > >large populations, so they are happening in many people's lives
> > >simultaneously. This starts to sound like my history class:
> > >sufficient causes, final causes and contributing causes. It's
> > >rarely an all-or-nothing matter.
> >
> > Certainly true. But these effects with the exception of an economic
> > upset are spread out in time, not concentrated. If I remember
> > correctly the suicide rate picks up a for a few weeks after a famous
> > suicide and not at other times. If this is the case, it would seem
> > to me media influence is causing, at least accelerating some of the
> > suicides.
>
> Hi all, Hi Keith,
>
> The suicide rate of the one who succeeded pick up for a few weeks. The
> rates of trying are on average, in Belgium, 100 a day ! That number
> stays unfortunate the same.... Suicide is by boys and girls up to 24
> the first way to die after traffic- accidents. The media is, atleast
> to some investigations to blame as to be the catalyst for people to
> commit suicide after ' a famous suicide '.
>
> In the Netherlands, after a serie of 7 family- tragedies, the media
> was asked not to report futher and exensively about such drama's. The
> tragedies descreased extremely. That is not to say, that is the reason
> why, but there is in the case of suicide an important difference with
> the notion that sex and violence shown on TV influences our children.
> Atleast by suicide it seems that the media plays a role. ( Vincent !?)
>
> In the weekend of the 12/ 13 January, in Brussels 2 girls, aged 13 and
> 15 jumped, tied together, from the 10 floor of their building. Both
> had a psychiatric background. Understandable, I would say, but the
> case that 2 girls jumped tied together is rare. Not even 24 hours
> later a boy, aged 16 crashed to the floor of the Counts Castle here in
> Ghent. Investigations so far indicate that the boy committed suicide.
> Specialists called such a phenomenon copycat.
>
> More investigations does indicate that correct information about
> suicide prevents that others do the same. Also it seems that in
> contrast with Holland that we in Belgium must overcome more obstacles
> than the Dutch to go to a schrink or psycho- logist. That is atleast
> IMO, of great importance, the difference beween Holland and Belgium is
> not found only in how we behave, act or think, but also how we account
> for, in cognitive ways, the notion of religion, ethics etc. The
> religion part, protestant contra catholic seems just to clearefy just
> an assumption.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
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