Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id UAA26447 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:00:11 GMT Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:55:40 -0800 Message-Id: <200201161955.g0GJtem24781@mail3.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [216.76.255.72] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: Modes of transmission Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Lawrence DeBivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu> <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> RE: Modes of transmissionDate: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:00:25 -0500
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>
>In designing memes, we specify the means of transmission to be used, and, as
>a subset of this, which sensory channel(s) will be used. These correspond
>generally to your four categories, Joe: auditory-tonal, auditory-digital
>(e.g. words, phrases), visual, kinesthetic (touch/emotional feeling),
>gustatory (taste), and olefactory (smell).
>
>If the content of the meme is demonstrated (your 'show'?), several of the
>sensory channels can be involved.
>
>Lawrence
>
One comment to refute this: ASL (American Sign Language) is communicated visually, verbal discourse is communicated auditorily, and braille is communicated tactilely. All are categorized under the communication mode, telling or saying.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
>> Of Joe Dees
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:50 PM
>> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: Modes of transmission
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Re: Modes of transmissionDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:22:44 -0500
>> > "Wade T. Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> "Memetics Discussion
>> List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>> >
>> >Hi Joe Dees -
>> >
>> >>They may show them, tell them, write to them, show them a picture, all
>> >>with the (sometimes successful) intention of transmitting the
>> selfsame meme.
>> >
>> >Well, I'm feverish, not thinking straight, although I'm sure there are
>> >those who would say that is my normal MO, but, what you just said above
>> >looks like a behavior that is a meme to me.
>> >
>> No, four different behaviors and thus four different memes, as
>> far as the behavior goes; one meme, as far as the meaningful
>> content encoded and transmitted goes.
>> >
>> > All I have to do is change
>> >'selfsame meme' to 'meaning' and I'm set.
>> >
>> But memes are meaningful. We are perhaps overlooking the fact
>> that transmission modes are themselves memes which are learned
>> and stored for use. Plus, each of these modes would be a
>> different meme which is combined with the meaningful meme we
>> intend to communicate to preform the communicative function.
>> >
>> >But, it does look like meaning is a stickler here, and even intention. I
>> >was trying to get out of the way of that semantic, well, crap, by
>> >isolating the meme, the cultural element of evolution, to behavior, and
>> >moving everything else into the factory, the memetic pool, the cultural
>> >environment- ideas, intentions, meanings, language, laws, skills, arts,
>> >science, fashion, et al.
>> >
>> >In this way, the behavioral meme was the obvious agent in the
>> environment
>> >of culture- the agent that altered the species of chair upon which we
>> >sat, and the agent that altered the variety of restaurant where we ate,
>> >and the agent that altered the shape of the hat on our heads, ad
>> >infinitum. And none of that messy meaning stuff to have to sift through,
>> >and interpret, and well, get wrong.
>> >
>> But if this requires displacing the storage and mutation site of
>> the meme (the cognitive environment), then it simplifies at the
>> cost of distortion and misrepresentation.
>> >
>> >- Wade
>> >
>> >
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