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I mentioned this type of scenario in VIRUS OF THE MIND under the category of
cognitive dissonance. That, along with repetition, is one of the chief ways
mind viruses set up transmission of memes that the prospective hosts may be
resistant to accepting.
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From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
Of Joe Dees
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:08 PM
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: A Confusing Example
Interesting question...
What would you call it when the source sets up a scenario where the target
cannot help but to reach the desired conclusion (the meme) by observing the
surroundings you have created? There is no direct communication, but there
is still a deliberate transferrence.
Brief example: A's roommate B is a slob. A has already shown, told, written
and pictured to no avail in an attempt to transfer his/her "cleanliness is
good" meme. Finally A takes all of B's most useful and/or treasured
belongings and hides them in the lowest strata of the debris. B comes home,
can't find his shit, and realizes that it's because there is no order to the
arrangement of his belongings, and decides of his own accord (in his
perspective) that "cleanliness is good, because then I can find my
homework/tools/bong/whatever."
I'm not sure that this qualifies as meme transference in your model, but my
instinct is that it should. (The meme has, after all, been transferred). If
it does qualify, what would you call that? Assisted Discovery?
-ben
What do y'all make of this example? I'm unsure how to characterize it.
>
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From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:08 PM
Subject: virus: Modes of Transmission
On the memetics list, we have come up with four modes of memetic
transmission:
1) Showing - a bodily demonstration, such as knapping a handaxe for
an audience.
2) Telling - verbally or manually (signing) communicating via a common
symbol system.
3) Writing - inscribing glyphs which stand for spoken/signed language.
4) Picturing - creating a representation of the object of communication
via drawing, photography, etc.
Can anyone here think of others?
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