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At 02:11 AM 15/01/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>Right.  For a causal relation to be suspected the "caused" event must 
>>happen later in time, and the alternative of both being caused by some 
>>unknown event must be ruled out or at least considered unlikely.  I 
>>consider it possible but unlikely that the spike in suicides following 
>>media reports has a common relation to some unknown event.  Do you have a 
>>different opinion?
>
>Black Friday.  Ease of access to guns.  "Disintegration of family 
>values."   Even in the whole "going postal" thing there was some 
>discussion of the "corporate culture" of the USPS which lead to greater 
>employee stress and unhappiness.  The media reports confound the issue, 
>because you don't know whether or not the suicides would have happened if 
>it weren't reported.  I don't think there is ever an instance where 
>someone commits suicide only because of the media, there is usually other 
>stuff going on in their life.  And there are certainly forces which effect 
>large populations, so they are happening in many people's lives 
>simultaneously.  This starts to sound like my history class: sufficient 
>causes, final causes and contributing causes.  It's rarely an 
>all-or-nothing matter.
Certainly true.  But these effects with the exception of an economic upset 
are spread out in time, not concentrated.  If I remember correctly the 
suicide rate picks up a for a few weeks after a famous suicide and not at 
other times.  If this is the case, it would seem to me media influence is 
causing, at least accelerating some of the suicides.
Keith Henson
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