Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id DAA20024 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:51:32 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:47:05 -0800 Message-Id: <200201150347.g0F3l5526129@mail19.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [216.76.250.15] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
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> memetics@mmu.ac.uk Ray Recchia <rrecchia@mail.clarityconnect.com> Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory PerceptionReply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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>At 05:49 PM 1/14/2002 -0800, Joe Dees wrote:
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>>Then perhaps I-mode and C-mode.
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>That works better. Guess you would have to add in an A-mode too. I would
>put writing in the C-mode because it is just using language in another
>form and a film of someone performing an activity in the I-mode. The A-mode
>would apply in instances when an artifact devoid of C-mode or I-mode
>conveys function. Such an artifact would qualify as a mode of memetic
>transfer because it was created by someone with a meme for the purpose of
>implementing the meme.
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>> It is clear, however, that many memetic significances that cannot be
>> bodily demonstrated are linguistically communicable.
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>My initial impulse was to agree completely. However I am not sure that
>there are any concepts that could not be bodily demonstrated with a little
>creativity. I do think though that the more abstract something is the more
>difficult it is to demonstrate bodily and the more efficient language
>becomes by comparison.
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The A-mode appears to be a good idea, and resolves a status confusion relating to artifactual memetic transfer.
As to what cannot be demonstrated in the absence of a linguistic system (including signing and mathematics), howzabout "A coward dies a thousand deaths; the valiant die but once" or E=MC*2? It's kinda hard to show either one.
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>Ray Recchia
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