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Hi Keith,
<I think in a post analysis the real competition will be seen as
between
> "western" culture and everything else. "Western" in this sense includes
> Japan and the advanced countries of south Asia as well as the more
> traditional countries. Japan, for example, contributes significant
> cultural elements to the rest of "Western" culture. "Popular" is another
> name for it. Religion is not a major element.>
>
If only the last sentence were true.
<It's hard to describe all the major elements, but music, fashion,
movies
> and TV shows are parts of it. High tech gadgets are part of it, and to a
> lesser extent, the free market environment it takes to make them. (No way
>
> you can do a 5 year plan to produce things nobody has invented yet!)
>
> Near as I can tell nobody in power cares if western/popular culture pushes
>
> into Islamic culture and displaces it or not. Because it is not static,
> the older leaders of the western countries usually express disdain for
> their own popular culture. Can't blame them, piercings give me
> fantods. (Meme of the day, nipple rings and chain mail is a bad
> combination.)>
>
Try reading Edward Said's book 'Orientalism'. You'll see there
evidence of a huge amount of cultural, political, economic and so on
investment in appropriating, containing and controlling oriental culture.
Who does the European Union regard as a threat socially? The East,
particularly the Islamic East- look at the reticence of the EU to take
Turkey's application for membership seriously. What gets Americans cross?
When Japanese companies start buying up US ones.
Vincent
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