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Keith,
I agree with your analysis. It makes a lot of sense.
Grant
richard@brodietech.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Bush (wisely) didn't want to declare war on the entire Islam world, just
>>the
>>regimes that were harboring terrorism. Many of these groups have developed
>>puppet governments that claim to be shocked, shocked by the terrorist acts
>>while secretly being part of the good ol' gang. I am not convinced, as
>>Howard Bloom fears, that we are heading for an inevitable war with the
>>entire Islam religion. But I sure hope our leaders are preparing for the
>>possibility.
>>
>>No, I'm not anti-Islam, or anti-Christian for that matter. But I have a
>>great wariness towards virulent cultural organisms (mind viruses) that
>>have
>>world domination as an integral goal. Even America.
>
>I think in a post analysis the real competition will be seen as between
>"western" culture and everything else. "Western" in this sense includes
>Japan and the advanced countries of south Asia as well as the more
>traditional countries. Japan, for example, contributes significant
>cultural elements to the rest of "Western" culture. "Popular" is another
>name for it. Religion is not a major element.
>
>It's hard to describe all the major elements, but music, fashion, movies
>and TV shows are parts of it. High tech gadgets are part of it, and to a
>lesser extent, the free market environment it takes to make them. (No way
>you can do a 5 year plan to produce things nobody has invented yet!)
>
>Near as I can tell nobody in power cares if western/popular culture pushes
>into Islamic culture and displaces it or not. Because it is not static,
>the older leaders of the western countries usually express disdain for
>their own popular culture. Can't blame them, piercings give me
>fantods. (Meme of the day, nipple rings and chain mail is a bad
>combination.)
>
>Keith Henson
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