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[GC]
><<give me an example
>of a meme that is NOT a tool.>>
[RB]
>
>I suspect your definition of "tool" is broad enough to include everything,
>but given names are a nice example of memes that spread without much regard
>to their utility to the host.
>
[GC]
<<If a businessman like yourself can't see how given or any other names are
used to confer status and establish identity on a person or a product, you
must not be awake yet. ;-)> I refer you to HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND
INFLUENCE PEOPLE and what it has to say about names. If that's not using
them as a tool, I don't know what is.>>
When I read your response I thought you didn't bother to take the time to
figure out what I was driving at, but instead wrote back the first thing
that came to mind that you felt meshed with your theory. As a result I lost
some interest in the discussion.
You might search the archives a year or two ago for a long conversation
between a guy named Chuck and me, among others. He was another believer that
utility was the sole selector of memes. He departed the list without ever
gaining a good understanding of the basics of memetic theory, I think. I
hope you have better results but you seem more interested in selling your
own theory than in the topic of this discussion list.
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