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Hi Grant,
Show me a substantive difference in pronunciation of 'scream' amongst 3
month old babies around the world and you've got a point. Similarly, show
me a mother who instinctively knows whether the baby needs changing, holding
or feeding from the sound of the scream alone and you've got a point.
A baby's scream (as an adult's scream, if say they are scalded, or
surprised) is a simple stimulus-response action, as straighforward as
blinking.
Vincent
> ----------
> From: Grant Callaghan
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:57 AM
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: playing at suicide
>
> >
> >On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 03:38 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
> >
> >>If the baby didn't know it had the need, it wouldn't be able to
> >>express it.
> >
> >Interesting take on instinctual responses. It certainly is able
> >to 'express' pain with a scream, as you are.
> >
> >But, what do you know?
> >
> >And, what do you need that you screamed?
> >
> >I see a real difference between someone wanting, say, a new
> >iMac, and a baby crying because its hungry.
> >
> >>She knows because the baby communicated the want or need to her.
> >
> >Is this response, crying, really a communication?
> >
> >- Wade
> >
> If you think a cry of pain is not a meme of communication, consider this
> --
> in America we say "ouch" or "ow" when we feel pain. In Japan, they say
> "itai!" or "itai-o!" In China, they say "ai-o" and in the Philippines the
>
> say "apo!" or "apo-da!" In other words, in each culture they found a
> different way to express pain. You'd think an instinctual response would
> elicit a more uniform way of expressing itself.
>
> Grant
>
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