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Grant
I think we are in agreement. I did not want to say that there is no learned
pain reaction. I tried to differentiate between the learned ouch, and the
reflective AAAAAEEEEEEIIIIII response. I never was in a torture situation
-- thanks whatever -- but would guess that the response here is very
similar between members of different cultures
A newborn who is hit on it's behind, and response by crying did not learn
this response.
Joachim
At 06:50 AM 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>>Is it a meme when you foot kicks as a result of a doctor hammering on
>>your knee?
>>Joachim
>
>No. What would the foot be trying to accomplish? I see memes as tools we
>use to do something. When you say "ouch," you're communicating your pain,
>or trying to. You learned that behavior from other people in your society.
>People in other cultures learn different words to use in that instance.
>Memes are learned or invented behavior, not knee-jerk reactions.
>
>Grant
>
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