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----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: playing at suicide
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Grant Callaghan <grantc4@hotmail.com>
> I feel sorry for the
> > children who followed their instincts to their deaths, but I don't
really
> > see any deep psychological underpinning for it. To me it looks a lot
like
> > what happens when a child dashes in front of a car or falls into a
> swimming
> > pool and drowns -- an unfortunate accident. We can't child-proof the
> world
> > to avoid them.
>
> Hi Grant,
>
> I feel sorry too ! My understanding of the facts are quite the same except
> for not seeing any deep psychological underpinning for it.
> I stand convinced of the fact that in many cultures children were not to
be
> harmed, more for moral and ethical reasons than for the being of the kid
> itself. In a sense we, the eldery/ the parents always discharge children
> from
> any responsibility. We are trying to make the world child- proof in a very
> extreme way...
> It is my view that ( Lamarckian) memetic inheritance, that is, inheritance
> of thoughts, insights, opinions,... are part of the puzzle !
> It all boils down to the point that the concept of natural selection is
just
> another favorable mutation in extremis chosen by a particular memetic
> mindset.
>
> Moreover, there is nothing wrong with the view that even certain or par-
> ticular behavioral traits of which we think they are promoted by natural
> selection are in fact already ' chosen mutations '. Investigators would
see
> those as outcomes of a Darwinian natural selection process where in fact
> a Lamarckian one holds the key.
> It is my suggestion that memecomplexes/ brainstructures may have
> mechanisms fo choosing which memes suits best.
>
> Thanks for the link,
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
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