Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id GAA29192 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:03:37 GMT Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:58:43 -0800 Message-Id: <200112030558.fB35wh722400@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [216.76.248.168] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wilkins on the meme:engram relation Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> <AaronLynch@aol.com>Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:41:57 EST
> Re: Wilkins on the meme:engram relation memetics@mmu.ac.ukReply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>In a message dated 12/2/2001 8:21:25 PM Central Standard Time, John S Wilkins
><wilkins@wehi.edu.au> writes:
>
>> The Kingdom of heaven is at hand. I agree with Aaron without
>> reservation :-)
>>
>> The whole neologism of meme is exactly what Aaron says - a distraction.
>> I would rather we referred to this whole thing as cultural Darwinism (I
>> would have said cultural evolution, but that has too many connotations
>> from the turn of the 20th century), which - if one has read one's
>> Ewald - includes epidemiological models.
>>
>> Aaron, I promise at some unspecified future time to read your essay in
>> detail. Possibly after the PhD thesis is in.
>> --
>> John S Wilkins
>> PhD candidate, species concepts
>> History and Philosophy of Science, jointly with Botany
>> The University of Melbourne, Australia
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/thewilkins/darwiniana.html
>>
>
>Hi John.
>
>A glorious day indeed! :-)
>
>May we proceed undistracted.
>
>--Aaron Lynch
>
I disagree, precisely because several related areas in disparate disciplines may be conjoined by applying the term 'meme' to their relata. I have seen no other term, neo or not, that promises to do this. I also maintain that once the memetic life-cycle is understood to include both internal mushroom and external spore, that the confusion that has been unfortunately and unfairly attached to the term 'meme' will quite naturally and rightly abate.
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>http://www.thoughtcontagion.com
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