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> While I could waffle off my perch, and declare that the motion
> of the air and the sound waves you create are artifactual
> products of your behavior, I still need to actually handle a
> meme, to use it, to produce mutations, and so far, mutating the
> air does nothing memetically, although it might crinkle your
> nose.
You can use it and also produce mutations the same way you can
from a film. It does make no real difference whether you watch
a film or the direct real life behavior.
> And, I'm sure we've all seen quite animated behaviors among all
> sorts of people and animals, lots of sound and fury, but, alas,
> nothing to grab onto afterwards.
Yes, and we've seen the same (and much more than in real life) in films.
> And, yes, I turn to music, which also can and cannot be a meme.
I guess your point is that music has to be recorded to be a meme?
Well that's bullshit. You can copy tunes by just hearing them from someone
singing.
What do you think about radio? Imagine you hear a song and you'd first
consider it to be a meme because the song is recorded, then you find
out that it is a live broadcast of a band playing. Suddenly it's not a meme
anymore? Bullshit.
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