Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id DAA11987 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:25:31 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Philip A.E. Jonkers" <phae@uclink.berkeley.edu> Organization: UC Berkeley To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Verbal memeticism Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:25:01 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <F300voXM7e0C9guA8M600011497@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <F300voXM7e0C9guA8M600011497@hotmail.com> Message-Id: <0111251825010P.06012@storm.berkeley.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Saturday 24 November 2001 08:07 pm, you wrote:
> From: "Philip A.E. Jonkers" <phae@uclink.berkeley.edu>
>
> >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >Subject: Re: Verbal memeticism
> >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:56:42 -0800
> >
> >On Friday 23 November 2001 04:37 pm, you wrote:
> > > Hi Joe E. Dees -
> > >
> > > >Not only is everything verbal memetic, but everything
> > > >technological possesses a memetic component, as well.
> > >
> > > Is this ubiquity not a problem?
> >
> >Yes, it is not a problem...
>
> If you're going into the fray with your mind already made up, convinced of
> the conclusion, I suppose you're right then.
>
> Some of us aren't convinced of the veracity or utility of memetics even for
> the minor stuff like hula hoops, so sweeping everything into the memetic
> basket might result in raising some hackles.
Please specify what precisely may result in rasing of hackles.
I don't care about the sentiments of some romantics who don't `feel'
confortable with the fact that anything man-made is memetic or not.
Science knows no emotion, it studies it at best.
I noticed that americans write the digit 8 differently than we Dutch guys do.
You start on top and then swirl down ending on top again. We start
at the middle, trace out a counter-clockwise circle go up and trace out
another clock-wise circle finishing at the same central point. A thing so
simple as one written digit can be a meme.
"...It's the little differences, they have the same shit they got over here.
Only there's just a little different...." Pulp-Fiction.
It's precisely the subtle differences, i.e. memetic, that distinguish one
western country from another. Memetics is useful in focusing on and
identifying those differences.
Philip.
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