Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id CAA11870 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:35:03 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:30:01 -0800 Message-Id: <200111260230.fAQ2U1j06292@mail3.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [216.76.255.98] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: A Question for Wade Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> Re: A Question for WadeDate: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:08:16 -0500
> "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>Hi Joe Dees -
>
>>Accident and serendipity has not played the sole role here, by any
>>reasonable interpretation of human history.
>
>Didn't say they did- far from it. Skill sets and experience,
>communication and culture, schools and groups- all a part, as you mention.
>
>What I am insisting upon declaring (all for the moment to see how far it
>carries me, and so far, it's carrying me way further than anything else
>has) is that only the actual product of these combines is the only thing
>that can be called a meme.
>
You are cutting off exclusively at the end - the product, and saying that only the millions of cars can be memes. I'm pushing inclusively from the beginning, and saying that not only are cars (instantiations of) memes, but so are schematics of cars, auto production factories, and the physical and aesthetic principles governing their construction.
>
>- Wade
>
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