Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA10314 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:58:29 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:43:18 +0000 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Study shows brain can learn without really trying Message-ID: <20011125114318.C11467@ii01.org> References: <F221kyPzGNsokLQ8aZR00018abf@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <F221kyPzGNsokLQ8aZR00018abf@hotmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i From: Robin Faichney <robin@ii01.org> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 12:25:08AM -0500, Scott Chase wrote:
>
> If cultural effects have a neural basis within individual people, the
> causative neural traces could be quite different but the cultural effects
> quite the same. OTOH similar traces could result in different cultural
> effects depending on the context, like association with other traces.
>
> If cultural effects have a neural basis, so what? What use is it to reduce
> the effect to *a* trace? What if there's no isomorphism between the traces
> in different people subject to similar cultural effects?
I'm not particularly interested in neural traces. Dennett argues in
Darwin's Dangerous Idea that memes have to be semantic rather than
syntactic. I don't think that distinction is entirely clear, but it
is clear to me that memetics does *not* require similarity of neural
encoding, only similarity of what's encoded. Which is demonstrated
by similarity of behaviour.
-- Robin Faichney "One person's mess is another's complexity" inside information -- http://www.ii01.org/=============================================================== This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing) see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
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