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----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Re: Wade's last week's phrase of the day...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mcvjones@netscape.net>
> Hi Mark,
> You wrote,
> > Just think how often we say to people, 'have an open mind,' we are
wasting
> out time, they can not change, it is not their fault - their environment
> closed them off...
>
> << Yes, you are quit right here!
> That is the same position which I do defend upon this list, but not only
> their
> environment is to blame, also their genetic, memetic, neurological,
psycho-
> logical, logical, idiological,.... lineages block their attempts to
change.
>
> The only times that people " change " is when they have brain- damage and
> when they came back from the death ( near- death- experiences seem to
> provoke profound changes).
>
> But, yes, the overal environmental aspects, affects and effects blocked
> them off. In a way we are all conditioned by the way we live, in which
> social structure we live, what kind of political system our government
> has to offer, etc... we are getting conditioned by all the kinds of infor-
> mation which comes our way. The thing is ( of our brain/ our memes)
> to leave the condition at its place. That is the only way by which we
> can survive as an individualistic organism.
> IMO, the ' group thing' is just another way of nature to give the organism
> more chances to survive as an individual, not as a part of a greater form.
> Individuality is the norm, not the group.
>
> Best,
>
> Kenneth
>
>
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