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----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: "Smoking" Memes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lawrence DeBivort <debivort@umd5.umd.edu>
>
> > I've suggested before on the list that a meme, to be accepted by an
> > individual, has to meet criteria that are, indeed, specific to the
> > individual, and include the individual's key beliefs and hierarchy of
> > values. While there are several ways that a meme can be crafted that
will
> > enable it to be effective with large and unspecified groups of people,
the
> > basic reality is that meme-acceptance is individualistic.
>
> Hi LDB,
>
> That, in a way, has always been my major stumbling block to accept the
> vision that the Weismann Barrier can 't be broken. At least on some level
> it can be one, I think.
>
> IMO, natural selection plays only a role on specific levels, not on all.
> The evolution, the development of culture is due to inheritance not
> selection. I have to weigh my words here,.... the ways by which our
> brain can/ might re- present the condition of the organism of which
> it is part are due to inheritance, not selection.
>
> The ways by which we stay alive and survive are those which are
> getting re- presented in our brain. The ways for choosing out than
> the ' right' one, may be genetical/ natural selected, but not the way
> itself. The info enclosed in it is inherited, not selected.
>
> It would mean, according to the plague- case, that in order to survive,
> the mind, the brain ' orders' the genes, than to select Delta 32, but
> very rapidly the gene will be passed on to the offspring, but also
> the ways by which we re- present such an illness will be passed on,
> not by selection but by ( memetical) inheritance.
>
> We survive on two levels at the same time, body and mind. The one
> helps the other in such ways that the body in all its aspects ( and that
> means the brain included) " survives ".
> Without a mental " re- presentation " of the plague we would not sur-
> vive. Such re- presentations are conscient or not- conscient and goes
> on constantly.
> I hope this is clear. Strange way of seeing the things, but yeah....
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
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