Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id TAA25744 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:20:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 11:16:43 -0700 From: Bill Spight <bspight@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: What/Who selects memes? To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Message-id: <3BBA048B.7C35A9FF@pacbell.net> Organization: Saybrook Graduate School X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Yahoo;YIP052400} (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20011001223400.AAA4424%camailp.harvard.edu@[205.240.180.52]> Sender: fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Dear Wade,
> >If memes are considered to work evolution-like there has to be some
> >selection and obviously there is.
>
> Natural selection is _one_ of the mechanisms of evolution. But it does
> not follow that evolution requires it, and it does not follow that
> memetic evolution (if any such thing exists) requires it.
>
I'm a little confused. Salice mentions selection and you are talking
about natural selection.
I thought that, by definition, a meme is an evolutionary unit of
culture. ("Unit" understood in a non-elemental sense.) Also, that, by
definition, evolution requires variation, inheritance, and selection.
It is certainly true that the selection need not be natural selection,
but I don't think that that was the claim.
I think that we agree, but I'm not sure.
Thanks,
Bill
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