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From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: memetics <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 5:31 PM
Subject: Fw: Thesis: Memes are DNA-Slaves
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Thesis: Memes are DNA-Slaves
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: salice <salice@gmx.net>
> > > > Memes will dispurse themselves from their biological container and
> > > > will live their lives in a memosphere- like environment
> > >
> > > maybe we already live in a memosphere. i mean if you look at the
> > > physical universe, atoms, electrons and so on follow certain rules.
> > > like gravity, energy relations. simple rules. this rule is an
> > > information. it lies beneath matter. so who made up this rule and
> > > created these memes which are the basic rules for our universe?
> >
> > Hi Salice,
> >
> > The memosphere I got in mind, maybe it is the wrong word, is not made
> > due to anyone or due to some rule. It is something completey seperated
> > from our senses. What will going on there is pure speculation.
> > A Derrida- like universe would exist out of an infinite number of memes.
> > I mean, each possible idea, each possible line of thought, all of the
pro-
> > balitities possible how detailed you can get is than a meme. Even the
> > context- lines between them are than seperated memes.
> >
> > Such a universe you can 't grasp, it will not show itself on any Pet-
> scan.
> > It will not be detected by any of our senses. It would exist, it can
> exist,
> > but how it would exist can only be part of our thinking.
> > The real stuff we will never see....
> >
> > > is the universe then to be imagined as a big brain with a simple meme
> > > controlling it's basic behavior? or is it just that the universe
> > > works the way we think, the way that memes tell us.
> > > so is the possibility there that actually we created the universe in
> > > our head?
> >
> > << Personally I think you got more chance with your second option,
> > that the universe as we know it, is a creation of our memes.
> > That would be logical if we assume that memes will propagate them-
> > selves along all lines of thought possible. If the thinking of how our
> > universe is created is the best way for that propagation, our memes will
> > comply and will create lines of thought in that direction.
> >
> > Of course, such lines end up in what is know as solipsism, that the
> > world outside is your world. That is, what you see out there is a re-
> > creation of what memes want you to see.
> > See for an article about this stuff the archives, search for
> > A Solipsistic View On Memetics.
> > If you don 't find it, I am willing to send it to you.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kenneth
> >
> > ( I am ,because we are) plausible entities
> >
>
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