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From: Scott Chase <ecphoric@hotmail.com>
> I've no major qualms about an elaborate missile defense network. I'm still
> quite concerned about China and about states such as North Korea which
could
> eventually launch an attack as far away as the Pacific seaboard of the
U.S.
> The technological spin-offs (serendipity?) of such an undertaking could
> carry over into non-military realms. My major problem is with the price
tag.
> I've also got issues with irresponsible tax cuts being enacted during the
> same period of time there's an expensive military build-up. A missile
> defense network won't prevent domestic terrorism but it could curtail long
> range engagements.
Hi Scott,
I don 't know but from my POV you are missing an important part of the
equation here !
I understand your concerns about what Bush is planning to secure the
US, but don 't you think that beneath the reason of security there are
lying others, more important ones !? The ones that now pop up in every
American his/ her mind !? That in a way, you already answered the WHY
question, in your mind !?
Why would you be afraid of China and of North- Korea if not you
have reasons to believe you do !? You think that the American culture
is thé culture and you enforced this view upon others. But like Islam
your proud turned into arrogance. It goes wrong when you connect
a beliefsystem onto politics. The US beliefs strongly in democracy,
freedom, humanrights, equality, etc ... but not all do the same.
They do, but not the American- style.
Values of freedom and equality are rightly fundamental basisblocks
of our society, but concepts like zero- tolerance undermine the thought
of freedom itself. Don 't forget, the US is built upon slavery, those
thoughts and what kind of behaviorcharacteristics did lead from there
are still in place.
Like I did mention earlier on this list, the US, Islam, Europe and all
others are fixed in the way they all think_ memetic determinism
is according to the views of Huntington a direct result of our various
ethocentric civilizations. Each block, West, Islam,...has it very own
cultural habits to perform. We, the West with our technological
development goes mush faster than the rest, but we have to act so
that we " protect " the others.
That is something we cannot do, our memetic determinism implies
a necessity to " destroy " others, to " steal " from them, to enforce
our views upon them so that we can go on.
The solution would be of course, that we take the others into our
account and help them to develop further. But, again, memetical
we are blocked to do that. Such ideas are ' Green ' ones, are anti-
globalist- ones and those will not do.
In a way, giving in on the anti- globalist movement would be taking
one step back and we wan' t above all to go one step beyond the
limits we all know now. The results are quite explosive, literally.
From our point of view, bringing for example black Africa upon
the rate of development as we know it, would be catastrofical
for the worlds environment. That is what we think !
But does it !? Yes, if we take our numbers into account, but do have
impartial numbers to back up another view !? No !!
That is what I mean. We need not to change the world, not the exterior
factors but we need to change the interior.
Again, that is a " Green "-peace- view, not an one I very like, but
we have to make another step for a higher development. Now we are
stuck on our well known certain level, we need to go beyond that.
Regards,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are) the way we think
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