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From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Thesis: Memes are DNA-Slaves
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: salice <salice@gmx.net>
> > > Memes will dispurse themselves from their biological container and
> > > will live their lives in a memosphere- like environment
> >
> > maybe we already live in a memosphere. i mean if you look at the
> > physical universe, atoms, electrons and so on follow certain rules.
> > like gravity, energy relations. simple rules. this rule is an
> > information. it lies beneath matter. so who made up this rule and
> > created these memes which are the basic rules for our universe?
>
> Hi Salice,
>
> The memosphere I got in mind, maybe it is the wrong word, is not made
> due to anyone or due to some rule. It is something completey seperated
> from our senses. What will going on there is pure speculation.
> A Derrida- like universe would exist out of an infinite number of memes.
> I mean, each possible idea, each possible line of thought, all of the pro-
> balitities possible how detailed you can get is than a meme. Even the
> context- lines between them are than seperated memes.
>
> Such a universe you can 't grasp, it will not show itself on any Pet-
scan.
> It will not be detected by any of our senses. It would exist, it can
exist,
> but how it would exist can only be part of our thinking.
> The real stuff we will never see....
>
> > is the universe then to be imagined as a big brain with a simple meme
> > controlling it's basic behavior? or is it just that the universe
> > works the way we think, the way that memes tell us.
> > so is the possibility there that actually we created the universe in
> > our head?
>
> << Personally I think you got more chance with your second option,
> that the universe as we know it, is a creation of our memes.
> That would be logical if we assume that memes will propagate them-
> selves along all lines of thought possible. If the thinking of how our
> universe is created is the best way for that propagation, our memes will
> comply and will create lines of thought in that direction.
>
> Of course, such lines end up in what is know as solipsism, that the
> world outside is your world. That is, what you see out there is a re-
> creation of what memes want you to see.
> See for an article about this stuff the archives, search for
> A Solipsistic View On Memetics.
> If you don 't find it, I am willing to send it to you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
> ( I am ,because we are) plausible entities
>
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