Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id QAA11765 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:16:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:35:43 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dawkins was right all along Message-ID: <20010926153543.B413@ii01.org> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3102A6D029@inchna.stir.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3102A6D029@inchna.stir.ac.uk>; from v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:53:04AM +0100 From: Robin Faichney <robin@ii01.org> Sender: fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:53:04AM +0100, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> >> Surely, Wade was simply making a joke.
>
> <Humor is one of the commonest ways of evading a serious point.>
>
> Or of pointing to the absurdity of the comments that precede the
> humourous comment.
Are you saying that my comment was absurd, or just making a general point?
> >> Citing Jesus and children is not wise given the absence of
> >> information in Christianity of Jesus' childhood. Why is there
> this absence?
> >> Because he would have been brought up as a Jew, and you can't
> have that in
> >> Christian doctrine.
>
> <At the time the gospels were written there would have been no way
> to
> > find out anything about the period before he started to act strangely
> > and therefore memorably.>
> >
> So, what about all the star of bethlehem stuff?
I'm not a biblical scholar, but I see no problem in supposing that such
events faded from memory during his unremarkable childhood, to be recalled
during his highly remarkable adulthood.
> There's a huge
> inconsistency in the accounts of Jesus' life from the lead up to his birth,
> and then his actions as an adult. There's not even an account of his
> barmitzvah (I assume that they did that back then).
Which can be taken to support my point just as well as it does your's.
> <Wade said that religion commonly denies childhood. My point is
> that
> > doesn't seem to be the case for Christianity.>
> >
> As he said, in the sense that childhood curiosity is denied in
> favour of every answer stemming from God, he is right. Christianity is as
> bad as every other religion in that regard.
See my reply to Wade.
> >> (<"The distinction between mind and matter is in the mind,
> not in
> >> matter.">
> >>
> >> Except that, without any matter there'd be no mind.)
>
> <Where's the contradiction?>
>
> In the presumption of a distinction between mind and matter that
> could exist only in the mind, when the mind must, by being in the universe,
> be composed of matter.
See my reply to Philip.
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