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Hi Wade,
I get your point now and I agree on it as far that beliefs can only be
learned
from others. I see other possibilities rising, but those are due to my
personal agenda.... memes in genes remerber.
Propensities to belief certain beliefs would in that view be part of our
gene-
tic and memetic built up, but that is of no relevance to this topics.
That is, propensities to believe in the Christian God would be already in
place,
it is just due to what the others learn you or not, that those things will
emerge or not.
But like I said, that has nothing to do with the topics here, so I shut
up...
Best regards,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are) hopefully back, thanks Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: Wade T.Smith <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
To: memetics list <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Dawkins was right all along
> >If a child is learned to have no beliefs,
>
> That ain't what I said. I said a child begins with no beliefs, and, no
> reason to form any.
>
> A belief (which word, again, I _only_ use in the sense of an unsupported
> declaration of a mechanism of the universe, if you will, like gods and
> homeopathy and 'vote democrat') can only be learned from others (possibly
> with an agenda to stop you from discovering real things), because, if one
> studies the universe, unbiasedly, like a child will do, one can only
> discover facts, and facts lead to theories, and theories lead to
> experiment and verification, and verification leads to a 'pretty sure
> this is how things work' declaration, not an 'I believe the qi was
> blocked'.
>
> >You can't believe in nothing, if you do... you do believe !!
>
> Belief should have nothing to do with it.
>
> - Wade
>
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