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I'm sorry Richard, if you think I'm over contributing. I was under the
impression though that this was an open list, in which people are free to
air their views. I have no intention of deliberately offending anyone, I
just felt your appeal to destroying was as emotive as Dawkins' piece, and
your presumption that the US government knows how it is perceived was
misplaced. If you read through the posts on this subject, I don't think
you're claim that I'm all on my own in this view to be accurate either. But
again, I meant no offence, so if any was taken by you I apologise.
Vincent
> ----------
> From: Richard Brodie
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:53 pm
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: Dawkins View
>
> Vincent, you seem to feel a compulsion to reply to every single message
> sent
> to this list, yet I don't think your opinions are well supported or shared
> my many others.
>
> The Muslim world does not support the actions of these terrorists. This is
> an organized evil funded by wealth. The organization must be destroyed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf Of
> Vincent Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:52 AM
> To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
> Subject: RE: Dawkins View
>
>
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> <not Dawkins's best work. His fervent anti-religionism is coloring
> his point
> > of view. Certainly belief in a paradisiacal afterlife is not necessary
> for
> > suicide commandos. Animals have a built-in mechanism to sacrifice
> > themselves
> > for the good of their kin. All that is necessary is to co-opt that. Even
> > the
> > heroic passengers on UA93, who overpowered the hijackers and apparently
> > crashed the plane, were driven by that mechanism.>
> >
> I agree Dawkins' comments were clearly fuelled by outrage, and you
> make a valid point here.
>
> <I assure you the Government is well aware of how America's actions
> are
> > perceived by various factions in the Middle East. But remember, these
> > barbarians have attacked many other countries. There are some forces
> that
> > it
> > just doesn't make sense to appease. They must be destroyed.>
> >
> Who are you going to destroy and how? As a key proponent of the
> mind virus approach in memetics you should know that destruction of the
> source of a powerful mind virus like a religious ideology can do little
> more
> than increase its strength. Does Islam need another martyr in Bin Laden
> to
> inspire generations in the future? Calling them barbarians is simply
> trading insults- remember to them the West contains the barbarians. Who's
> memes are stronger theirs or ours? I think you're very wrong about US
> government awareness of its perception in the global community, otherwise
> it
> might have altered its position on Israel, not left Pakistan high and dry
> after the cold war finished and so on. I don't think there are many in
> Europe, amongst the public anyway if not the governments, who regard US
> foreign policy in the Mid East or anywhere else for that matter as that
> incisive.
>
> Vincent
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