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Quoting Richard Brodie <richard@brodietech.com>:
> Philip:
>
> <<Call me stupid but whose relatives were saved
> when the passengers of UA93 heroically comitted suicide.
> For the life of me I can't imagine that the relatedness
> between passengers who bravely seized control
> and members of the White House is substantially non-vanishing.
> Surely some different mechanism must have propelled the
> passengers to attempt to take over control from the hijackers.
> Since Americans are so fond of their country (no offense),
> I'd advance Patriotism, as opposed to saving kin,
> as plausible memetic driving force.>>
>
> Read my other message again. You totally missed it.
Do you mean `pushing the psychological button' of kin-relatedness?
That is, hijackers saving their kin in homeland by self-sacrifice.
And passengers of UA93 seizing control and sactificing their
lifes in order to save their kin ostensiby? But isn't the latter
use of the psychological kin-buttom synonymous to patriotism,
for all practical purposes?
Or am I way away off-track now?
Philip.
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