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Hi Lawry,
Regarding memetic angles, a lot has already been said here
as you may notice by running down the list starting from
Wednesday last week.
Nonetheless, a lot will follow too probably.
Since you are about to make a memetic analysis,
perhaps you can steer us a little by suggesting or
initiating topics yourself.
Phil.
Quoting Lawrence DeBivort <debivort@umd5.umd.edu>:
> Greetings to all,
> I'm back in Washington. The government discussion here is on the whole
> narrowly chauvinistic and militaristic. A memetic analysis will be
> interesting and useful. If there is any war afoot, it must surely be one
> of
> memes. Memetically, things are still in flux; support for the
> administration
> is patriotic, rather than political. We are offered an opportunity for
> applied memetics, and given the gravity of the situation and its
> implications for the future, the need for an effective memetic
> application.
>
> All thoughts would be very welcome.
>
> Lawry
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of
> > Scott Chase
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:38 PM
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: RE: US Tragedy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu>
> > >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > >To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > >Subject: RE: US Tragedy
> > >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 05:38:27 -0400
> > >
> > >Vincent, Philip -- many thanks.
> > >
> > >Drove past the Pentagon this morning early still smoking badly. How
> much
> > >more real to see it in person than on the little screen. And by
> > coincidence
> > >this afternoon I'll be driving past Manhatten and will see the
> > new skyline
> > >there, two teeth missing like a prize fighter that has taken a
> beating.
> > >
> > >News media and politicicos still not asking 'why' this happened, so
> the
> > >lessons are unlikely to be learned and the situation ripe for
> further
> > >incidents of terrorism. Alas. I am going to try and prod 'why'
> questions
> > >and
> > >discussion.
> > >
> > >Back in a few days.
> > >
> > >
> > Really important questions would be *who* the responsible parties
> > were and
> > *where* their associates are now. It seems fingers are pointing
> > toward bin
> > Laden.
> >
> > I'm dumbfounded. I talked to a friend who lives in New York last
> > night and
> > was so happy just to hear his voice. It took him 8 hours to get home
> from
> > work. He wasn't in the middle of it. I can't even imagine what the
> people
> > with loved ones who were injured or killed due to the terrorist
> > attacks on
> > NY and DC are dealing with right now.
> >
> > Why questions could, if Islamic jihad terrorists are indeed
> responsible,
> > involve US policies toward Israel over the years and our military
> > involvements in Iraq among other things. I was trying to be
> > moderate on the
> > Israel-Palestine issue before these incidents. I was even thinking
> > critically toward Israel. Now I'm gravitating toward Israel.
>
>
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