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> From: fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-bounces@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf Of
> Chris Taylor
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> Subject: Re: Saudi Billionaire Osama Bin Laden is another CIA creature
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>
> That was an extremely cogent bit of summary. I think you can also blame
> the British (inter alia) for some of this shit as well, it's just that
> by the time the terrorists have modern tools, the US is the most visible
> target.
>
> When family members react to a loved one's murder they are usually in a
> rage at first, but then want to know why it happened (as in why the perp
> did it),
Having lost someone dear to me under highly suspicious circumstances, I was
the only one wanting the truth found from the beginning. I was actually
rooting for the coroner! By whom I now feel betrayed.
But everybody else still has their head stubbornly in the sand, even more
than a year later.
>and so I wonder how long it will be before the vast middle of
> America will ask that question, or will they ever - is 'evilness' enough
> here? The media may have a role in this - so far it's been ~60% shots of
> the wreckage, ~30% interviews with those poor sods in limbo, and ~10%
> Bush saying he's going to kick the shit out of someone. Noone on the
> media has asked why yet (in the sense of what motivated their
> attackers), which I can understand, but I hope the question doesn't get
> forgotten.
>
> Also, to wax memetic (fitness of terrorist/'martyr' memes) for a moment;
> the hardest the Brits tried to really 'get heavy' with the terrorists in
> Northern Ireland was internment (imprisonment without trial), which
> generated more hate and resulted in increased recruitment for the IRA
> etc.. Similar thing happened with the right wing militias vs FBI/ATF. If
> we (and it will be we) go to kill lots of arabs, it'll be the second
> best recruitment tool Bin Lid and his ilk could wish for (obviously
> being involved in something like the recent atrocity is now the best
> tool). For every terrorist you stomp on, you grow two more.
>
> Actually I think that be they called 'martyrs' or whatever, they are
> after their fifteen minutes of fame and a seat in heaven. That's selfish
> behaviour in the extreme, and a predictable response from kids without
> prospects I suppose. Not very noble though. What actually astonishes me
> about this whole thing is how they could've stayed dedicated over
> several years - most suicide bombers seem to go straight from the cleric
> to the crime with no chance for second thoughts, and cults never let you
> out of the compound for fear of the programming wearing off - these
> 'folks' (come back Bill fgs) kept going over years, in Europe and the
> US. Exposed to, and resisting, the best temptations us decadent WASPs
> could offer.
>
> One last thought - is this growing hate anti-muslim or anti brown skin
> (as opposed to black if you'll allow me the shorthand) sentiment? Hindus
> have already been attacked. We desperately need some analysis here (not
> us here, on the media I mean).
>
The News Media is in a deplorably shallow and sycophantic condition.
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