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On 28 Aug 2001, at 14:28, Chris Taylor wrote:
> > > > Btw noone convinced me that we are not in a completely
> > > > deterministic universe (although I'm more or less on my own on
> > > > that one I think) - find me the outcome without a cause.
> > >
> > > By definition, an outcome is produced by a cause. If all you're
> > > looking for it outcomes, that's all you're going to find.
> > >
> > Positron-electron pairs that pop into and out of existence.
>
> I'm still not convinced that we can put them in the box marked 'truly
> random' whatever the hell that means, just in the box marked 'of
> undetermined cause'. But we've done that one I suppose, just couldn't
> resist another little snipe about it.
>
The box they belong in is the one labeled "undetermined as to
WHETHER there is a cause", to assume that there is an as yet
undiscovered cause for them is to embrace a dogmatic faith/belief,
rather than to approach the matter in an honestly scientific manner.
>
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