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On 26 Aug 2001, at 12:16, Dace wrote:
> From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
>
> > [P]resent and past are
> > NOT two sides of the same coin; the present is where we are
> > (check Husserl's theory of the eternal present, in which we remain
> > within our own here/now subjectivity as stimuli enter and leave our
> > perceptual modalities); the past is where we are no longer and the
> > future is where we are not yet.
>
> That you employ "where" in reference to time demonstrates that you
> understand it only in terms of space. You're thinking pragmatically
> instead of philosophically. Sundials and calendars and clock faces
> are certainly useful in day-to-day life, but time is not a function of
> space. A second is not the amount of space covered by a light beam.
> That's just how we measure it. Time is not the same as its
> measurement. To measure something is to convert it into an
> abstraction. Time is real.
>
Spacetime is real; 'time' and 'space' are illegitimate cognitive
bifurcations of the single perceptual manifold, as I painstakingly
and meticulously proved here before via reductio ad absurdum. But
you are right about one thing; I should have said where/when rather
than where; both where and when, stated alone, are incorrect. And
sundials, calendars, clock faces and the like SYMBOLICALLY
REPRESENT the progression of spacetime via particular physical
media, and do not claim to be identical to that which they
represent, any more than the word 'cat' will claw your sofa.
>
> Ted
>
>
>
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