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On 18 Aug 2001, at 21:33, Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
> I wrote,
> > > Morphic fields are shaped and stabilized by morphic resonance of
> > > previous similar morphic units, which were under the influence of
> > > fields of the same kind. They consequently contain a kind of
> > > cumulative memory and tend to become increasingly habitual. IMO,
> > > memetic.
> Joe wrote,
> > It simply doesn't fly, for one simple and irrefutable reason;
> > morphic resonance freaks claim that transmission occurs in the
> > absence of comminication or contact between sender and receiver, a
> > situation that no one would ever claim for memes. This demarks the
> > boundary between reasonable and un.
>
> << One, I am not a freak !! Please !!!!
>
> Two, I don 't think communication or contact is the same as influence.
> That is the process where we are talking about. And in memetics we do
> the same ! But we talk about how ideas/ traits or behaviors get
> replicated and to what extend some ideas are choosen above others_
> what makes it for a good story that it gets itself replicated !?
> Influence or selection pressure !?
>
Spooky action at a distance (which is influence in the absence of
contact or communication) works only for electron spin and
gravitation, but not for transmitting complex configurational
information in the complete and utter absence of any evidence
whatsoever of there existing either a transmitter or a receiver of
same. Random mutation and environmental selection works for
genes; both random and directed (intentional ) mutation and both
inadvertent and consciously aware selection works for memes.
> Best,
>
> Kenneth
>
> ( I am, because we are)
>
>
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