Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id EAA11506 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:02:06 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Logic Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:59:33 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F328t8YgH5uAy0BYTxH0000a068@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 02:59:33.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4431920:01C126C8] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Logic
>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:52:52 -0500
>
>On 16 Aug 2001, at 20:48, Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
>
> >
> > > From: Dace <edace@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > The meme for genetic determinism is nested
> > > > within the meme for deterministic thinking in general, which is
> > > > nested within the meme for nature-as-machine, which is nested
> > > > within the meme
> > for
> > > > anthropomorphosis. That is, we tend to project ourselves onto
> > > > nature.
> > In
> > > > modern times, this manifests in a projection of human technology
> > > > onto nature. The idea that nature has a machine-like
> > > > predictability has
> > served
> > > > to resurrect the ancient meme of "fate," which has since
> > > > manifested in
> > > terms
> > > > of genetics.
> > >
> > > << Very good point !!
> > > Mine exactly and the one which why I still doubt the absoluteness of
> > > genetic determinism according to the heritable aspect of the
> > > concept. It could be all a case of memetic- like nesting. Wade, I
> > > think, wrote once, Darwin dangerous idea would be just that we ought
> > > to think that his idea is the right way to follow. But Darwin 's
> > > idea came from out a human perspective ( descriptive) and perhaps
> > > this not what Nature intented.
> > >
> > > > I've never tried to apply the morphic model to memes before. This
> > effort
> > > is
> > > > certainly better than the post I fired off last night under the
> > > > heading "morphic memes." Definitely a work in progress.
> > >
> > > << My first steps in memetics were inspired by the notion of the
> > > morphic model. In a sense you can 1_ switch memes for morphic fields
> > > and vice versa and 2_ see memes as the neurological outcome of the
> > > working of morphic fields.
> > >
>Memes do not issue from the dead vibrations of long gone
>progenitors and travel down an ethereal or astral hall to inform the
>shape of progeny; they are semantic (meaningful) patterns which
>are communicated from others via showing, telling or writing, and
>only the third of these can come from the dead, and it does not
>possess resonant qualities, whatever they are, except insofar as
>writer and reader must share a common symbol system or code
>(language) which must be learned before it can be employed, and
>the carrier of the code must be both actionably efficacious (the
>writing of the transmitter) and perceptually registerable (the reading
>of the receiver).
> >
>
Not only can the dead communicate with us via their writings they can show
and tell too. Word has it that there are these new fangled things called
cassettes and videotapes where we can hear and see stuff from people long
after they have passed. With newer technologies such as CD and DVD these
communications from the dead will last much longer and be much crisper. When
instructional CD's/DVD's and documentary DVD's really catch on, the
knowledge imparted will last long after the people responsible have departed
and in a much higher quality format which could last a while.
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