Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id AAA03483 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:54:50 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [209.240.220.151] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Logic + universal evolution Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:52:14 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F122n8P5o7P6umLrXWq0000673e@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 23:52:14.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9FD4D90:01C12452] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: <Wilkins@wehi.EDU.AU>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
>Subject: Re: Logic + universal evolution
>Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:15:41 -1000 (EST)
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: John Wilkins <wilkins@wehi.EDU.AU>
> >>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >>Subject: Re: Logic + universal evolution
> >>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:49:08 +1000
> >>
> >>On Friday, August 10, 2001, at 02:26 PM, Scott Chase wrote:
> >>
> >>>>From: John Wilkins <wilkins@wehi.EDU.AU>
> >>>>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >>>>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >>>>Subject: Re: Logic + universal evolution
> >>>>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:53:34 +1000
> >>>>
> >>....
> >>>>Buffon's view of transmutation of species was a degenerational one -
> >>>>each species in a genus bar at most one was a degeneration from the
> >>>>"prime stock" or "primary stem" (premiere souche). His pupil and
> >>>>friend Lamarck applied a *generational* view to species
> >>>>transmutation, but because he thought it was an internal impulse or
> >>>>drive that caused it, he used the term "evolution", which Geoffroy,
> >>>>*his* pupil, carried on into the 19th century debates.
> >>>>
> >>>So Lamarck actually did utilize the word "evolution"? Can you square
> >>>this with what Richard Burkhardt says in his intro to Lamarck's
> >>>_Zoological Philosophy_ (1984. The University of Chicago Press.
> >>>Chicago.)? On page xxii Burkhardt writes:
> >>>
> >>>(bq) "Lamarck never used the word "evolution" to refer to the process
> >>>of the origin and successive transformation and development of organic
> >>>beings over time. Nor for that matter did he use the word
> >>>"transformism"." (eq)
> >>
> >>Hmmm. I thought he did.
> >>
> > Whew! After posting the above, I had second thoughts as to whether I
> > misread you. With all the he's and it's your passage could have been
> > taken several ways and my not being up to speed on the relations
> > between Buffon, Lamarck, and Geoffroy (which one...Etienne or
> > Isidore?) did not help matters much. I vaguely remember the
> > form-function tension between one of the Geoffroy's and that
> > curmudgeon Cuvier. It's* almost as hard to keep up with as all that
> > begetting in the Bible.
>
>Okay, I checked my source (Richards' _The Meaning of Evolution_) and he
>agrees that Lamarck never used the word. He also agrees, but with no direct
>cite, that Lyell introduced the term into the biological lexicon when
>discussing Lamarck. However, he claims that the use of "evolutio" from
>development, and the cognate term Entwicklung, was applied both to
>transmutation and development by Teidemann, von Baer, Serres, Haller and
>Autenrieth.
> >
> > *-"it" meaning historical connection
> >>
> >>I'll check my sources, but there's no reason to
> >>doubt that you (ie, Burckhardt) may be right about that. Perhaps it's
> >>one of those snide remarks thrown at transformists by Cuvier? I know
> >>it's in Lyell (or at least I recall it being in Lyell... my memory
> >>isn't as good as it should have been. Principles has been rereleased in
> >>facsimile by Chicago, I think - I'll see if I can find a copy of vol
> >>2).
> >>
> >>Great. Now I have another thesis avoidance topic...
> >>
> > I wouldn't make it all that high a priority.
>
>Avoiding the thesis is always a high priority, although I was a good boy
>today, and counted the number of epithet substitutions in Pinnipedia.
> >>
> >>>>...
> >>
> >>>>Pluralism rears its ugly head, but AFAICT MR need not apply. To quote
> >>>>Gould, the pluralistic hedonist, himself on this (from "Kropotkin was
> >>>>no crackpot" as found in _Bully for Brontosaurus_, 1992, paperback
> >>>>edition, W.W. Norton & Company, New York, p. 339):
> >>>
> >>>(bq) "I see no evidence for Teilhard's noosphere, for Capra's
> >>>California style of holism, for Sheldrake's morphic resonance"(eq)
> >>>
> >>>Has anybody spoke to the infamous 100th monkey phenomenon yet?
> >>>
> >>Well they have now, damn you :-) Do we *really* have to go through
> >>that? --
> >>
> > Well the more we struggle with the retelling of the retelling of the
> > 100th monkey, the easier it will become for everyone else to grasp,
> > even those not reading this list. If everybody on this list were to
> > read extensively on the 100th monkey phenomenon, we could carve a
> > mnemic groove deep enough that future generations would pick up on the
> > story without much effort at all. They would be resonating with us via
> > the collective memory storehouse. Ecphory abounds.
> >
>I checked my Liddell and Scott, and ekphoresis means the carrying out of
>dead bodies (as in "bring out yer dead!" in MP&tHG). I wonder if that is
>signifying?
>
Well I think ecphory has more to do with memory retrieval. I could be wrong
since my ecphoric processes are progressively declining. Brief reference to
Daniel Schacter's _Searching for Memory_ (1996, Basic Books, New York, p.
57) seems to agree as Schacter says: "...*ecphory* is the process of
activating or retrieving a memory." Semon coined this term.
Given the cobwebby and decayed condition of my mnemons, bringing out the
dead might hit the nail on the head.
>
>John a
>
>
Are you labelling your subpersonalities?
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