Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id VAA26018 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:53:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c11b82$5d66c840$aaa2bed4@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: "memetics" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Macguffin Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:38:09 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Hi Vincent, Dace,
>
> The problem is that the hypothetical
> > > function of genes-- storage of design information-- is incompatible
with
> > > their actual function, the complex interactions with proteins and with
> > > each other that provide the ground floor of cellulary activity.
>
> You're
> > confusing the components with the end product. The genes do not,
> > individually, store information about all the possible interactions with
> > other genes need to create an organism.
>
> << Vincent, I think to be aware to what Dace is aiming at, and in a
> sense I understand his point of view.
> To get an organism up from the ground floor in nine month the complex
> interactions of genes are not compatable with their own contents, with
> the actually information stored in them.
> There is a gene to make you a eye, but there is no gene to make that
> eye blue. That information is not in the gene. Where is it than !?
> Somewhere in some interactions of some sort of genes !?
> In a way, the components layed flat out on the ground can 't make the
> whole, so what is needed for making up the whole !?
> Interactions between genes !? Ok, which and how !?
>
> In a sense, I think, Dace is aiming at a holostic existence of information
> by which the whole finally can be made up.
> In a way, hypothetical of course, he is aiming at the existence of infor-
> mation on a level where it can exist as it were in a superposition,
> an " expression- site " of the gene as you will.
> Put in one more other way, he is tacklin' the Hard Problem _ what makes
> us alive !?
> I think....
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
> ( I am, because we are) physiological processes
>
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