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On 26 Jul 2001, at 11:22, Dace wrote:
> Hi Wade
>
> > >The point
> > >of evolution is that the species are not molded externally. Their
> > >forms arise from within, over time.
> >
> > Sorry, but no. The point of Darwin is that nothing remains the same,
> > regardless of internal similarity, because the environment is a
> > shifting sand that organisms either adapt to, or perish.
>
> Darwin is only one take on evolution. That we weren't molded by a
> Creator opens up the possibility of self-creation. This opening has
> been squandered in our effort to naturalize the process of
> deterministic creation.
>
> > Evolution is not logical from a design viewpoint. It does not
> > separate the wheat from the chaff.
>
> Certainly an intelligent designer could have created a much more
> rational plan for the human body. But instead of dropping the idea of
> blueprints altogether, we insist that the blueprints have evolved
> blindly through a process of natural selection and genetic mutation.
> Call it a "blueprints" meme, if you will. We still haven't really
> given up on the notion of design. This is why creationism retains its
> power. We're perpetuating creationist thinking unconsciously even as
> we try to stamp it out consciously.
>
> My basic point is that it's not logical to retain a mechanistic
> approach in the light of evolution. Mechanism makes far more sense
> when there's a mechanic. Blueprints make a lot more sense when
> there's a designer.
>
Delta streambeds which progressively canalize the myriad streams
of life (particular species) make a lot of sense where there are
banks (an environment of challenges and opportunities, including
other species).
>
> Ted Dace
>
>
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