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Hi Vincent,
You wrote,
----- Original Message -----
From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> I'm not sure I agree with this Kenneth,
> If we look at nature, surely we see patterns of species in lots of
different
> environments developing the same responses, to highly consistent
> environmental features, e.g. lots of species have eyes (of varying kinds).
> [is that what they call convergent evolution?] Surely memes must work
> within the limited (perhaps not as limited as the physical world for
natural
> selection) environment of human society?
<< In my view memes still work within the limited environment of human
society !
But I think I construes the notion of limitation a little bit more broadly
as you do. In a sense, I expand that limitation beyond the sensorial
bounderies. I expand the concept of memes as far as the concept of
abstraction, whereby the consequence of any possible meme gets
directly included in the way I present the subject.
I include directly a " practical " way of application if you like.
And by the same token of abstraction " anything " can " act " as a meme
in such a form of concept.
Not sure this makes sense,
Best regards,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are)
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