Re: Faking It: The Internet Revolution Has Nothing to Do With theNasdaq

From: Kenneth Van Oost (Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be)
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Chris Taylor <Christopher.Taylor@man.ac.uk>

    The memetic point I was (perhaps clumsily) making is that if there is a
    set of memes from fiction, predating the real existence of a thing (the
    web for example), then the head start they get from already existing
    means that they'll occupy the new niches, preventing anything from
    evolving 'de novo'. Resident's advantage.

    Hi Chris,

    << You mean, in my own words, that if something exist in a fictional
    way that it already occupies the niches wherein the real thing will en-
    deavour itself !?

    Hm, nice thought, one where I can agree upon.
    In my post earlier to Lawrence I mentioned that all possible and all
    probable competitiors of a meme are locked up in the main stream
    when the meme is set.
    In order to give some comment on your remark I will eleborate my
    view further.

    Take for example racism.
    IMO, when a new ' degree ' of racism has been thought about, it
    does already occupy the niches wherein it can/ will and would exist.
    Memes of racism don 't work exclusively on levels of racism, but also
    levels of nationalism, fear, country, nation, politics, society, culture,
    proud, mistrust, responsibility, .... are getting affected.
    And in a sense, when the new ' degree ' of racism has been thought
    about very firm, all of its possible and all of its probable " neighbours "
    ( all the levels it can and will affect) are already getting included in its
    dirty work. Once a tiny bit is changed in the concept the whole of the
    system changes.

    And vice versa, when changes occur in the structure of the nation,
    when changes occur in the way people think about nationality, proud,
    fear, politics, ... the notion of racism changes accordingly.
    And in that way, I think you are right_ " fictional " changes into the
    notion
    of nationalism changes already and occupies than already niches wherein
    real racism will occur.

    Hope I make myself clear,

    Best regards,

    Kenneth

    ( I am, because we are) anything ' de novo '

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