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Kenneth
Do it !!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: sexual selection and memes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Taylor <Christopher.Taylor@man.ac.uk>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: sexual selection and memes
>
>
> What this amounts to is 'good memes'
> sexual selection. This is a version of the classic 'good genes' reason
> for sexual selection (my bright orange arse indicates I'm carrying high
> fitness alleles); but in this case, the badge indicates that the
> potential father has experienced extensive paternal care as a young
> bird, and will therefore repeat this learned behaviour when it is itself
> a parent. However apart from the ability to display this phenotypic
> plasticity, no actual genes are being selected for here, even though
> this is undeniably sexual selection.
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Just in addition to what I posted yesterday and to what you have written
> above,
>
> IMO it could work the other way round too.
> If for example, a boy and a girl meet, both with no parental investment
> whatsoever in getting them a sexual education, the results are quit
> frightening at the least.
> ' Good genes ' for sexual selection are overpowered by the ' prime
instinct
> '
> of several other genes and behaviors.
> The results of such a " dis- ability " are extensive over- reactions and
> sometimes violent behavior.
>
> In a practical way, we had to ' cool ' down the boy and had to give both
> the prime directives about sexual behavior between man and woman.
>
> On some of the other points raised,
>
> In cases like above you see how strong cultural transmissions can be.
> In Belgium, here, still sexual education and sexuality per se are some
> kind of taboos. The results of not persuing horizontal transmission, that
> is widespread education and information about the subjects, are keeping
> alive IMO deadly vertical transmissions, whereby not only young lives
> are getting destroyed but whereby memetic routes of transmission are
> frozen in time.
> Behaviors are here selected where they ought to be not.
> Not to mention the judicial problems if anything goes really wrong,....
>
> Best,
>
> Kenneth
>
>
>
>
>
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