Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id JAA28839 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:13:55 +0100 Message-ID: <008001c0f63c$ab149f60$770a0950@necdirect> From: "Pascal Jouxtel" <pascal.jouxtel@wanadoo.fr> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <F174VbYq5IyQSAkyAp100009602@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: The Culture War Against Kids Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:16:38 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Those of you who read french a little bit will be interested in taking part
in this on-line experiment about the diverging evolutions of smoking and
non-smoking memesets.
the link is http://www.contagions.com/LABORYNT/Duo.html
You are most welcome.
Pascal
A bientot sur / see you soon on
www.contagions.com
Tell your friends / parlez-en à vos amis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: The Culture War Against Kids
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>
> >From: Chris Taylor <Christopher.Taylor@man.ac.uk>
> >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >Subject: Re: The Culture War Against Kids
> >Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:35:26 +0100
> >
> > > If i read it right it says that smoking goes up in teen-age groups if
> > > advertisement goes down. Why would that be? Would be a good
> > > memetic issue to study,
> >
> >If fitness were inversely proportional to representation in ads, it
> >could be because the most important aspect of anything for most kids is
> >whether it can be said to be conforming to a norm (bad).
> >
> >If drugs were the norm, straight kids would be the rebels...
> >
> >
> What if rebellion were a norm? It is the paradox of non-conformity that
> non-conformists are conforming to a different set of norms. I recall
seeing
> lots of "Question Authority" bumper stickers back in the early 90's. There
> were also those types who wore Doc Marten boots and listened to industrial
> music because they ain't like everyone else, except that everyone else was
> also wearing said boots and listening to said music and possibly dying
their
> hair the same color(s).
>
> Non-conformity to the norm of meat-eating and animal exploitation results
in
> a new norm of bunny hugging, replete with PETA activist mores and vegan
> diets.
>
> I don't know if watching "Grease" in my youth has biased my view of the
> 50's. Maybe "Happy Days" did its fair share too, but I think of the
leather
> jackets of Fonzie and all them being "cool". Yet in bucking the norm of
the
> "squares" these "rebels without a clue" fell onto the stereotypical
leather
> jacket, slick hair and denim I tend to associate with the 50's.
>
> I don't remember where I was going with this tangent. Oh well.
>
> Maybe seeing smoking ads legitimizes smoking and the cool thing to do
would
> be buck the trend and not smoke when inundated with smoking ads. Maybe all
> the flack about smoking in the recent past (the whole Joe Camel hating
media
> sterilization movement) could result in the unintended increase in smoking
> because its bucking the "politically correct" establishment. Maybe a
simple
> association between smoking and advertisement (eaither positive or
negative)
> cannot be fathomed from the complex abyss of reality.
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