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On 16 May 2001, at 10:26, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:45:11PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > > Those people who are aware enough of the issues and sine qua >
> nons (conditions without which) of information and of its linguistic >
> representation and of the referent to which the term refers, that is,
> > philosophers, linguistics professionals and genuine information and
> > communication theorists (who, unlike you, understand that >
> information, to deserve the appelation, must consist of a > meaningful
> message symbolized in a code and conveyed from a > sender to a
> receiver via a carrier) will refuse to be swayed by either > the naive
> percentage of physicists who practice linguistics and > philosophy
> without training in those disciplines
>
> Jesus, Joe, you really think physicists and such who talk about
> information are practicing linguistics and philosophy? Can't you get
> your head around the simple fact that "information" means different
> things in sci/tech and in arts/humanities? They're not operating
> beyond their competence, they're talking about something else!
>
> Just try a web search on "information theory".
>
When they talk of such nonsensical absurdities as 'intrinsic
information' without a scintilla of awareness that information must
INFORM, that is, it must possess a meaning that makes a
differenct to an apprehender of it, then they are indeed practicing
linguistic philosophy; they are just cluelessly unaware of the fact,
and the discipline, and thus do so very badly.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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