Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id NAA03274 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 16 May 2001 13:47:07 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:30:28 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Information Message-ID: <20010516103028.B11320@ii01.org> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745E93@inchna.stir.ac.uk>; <20010515183055.A901@ii01.org> <3B012C71.13992.14E3FF@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3B012C71.13992.14E3FF@localhost>; from joedees@bellsouth.net on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:17:37PM -0500 From: Robin Faichney <robin@ii01.org> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:17:37PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> Robin's pseudodefinition of information as a mere pattern bereft of
> either meaning or any awareness of it by a consciousness to
> whom it could mean anything, like his benighted and empirically
> contrafactual insistence that top-down and bottom-up (that is,
> vertical) causation cannot exist, but that both horizontal causation
> and its frankenstein bastard offspring with the to-him-nonexistent
> vertical causation, namely 'diagonal' causation, does, is simply
> another thread in his skein of anti-self and anti-world attempts to
> buddhize memetics - which poses the question of how the 'illusory'
> he can possibly consider 'intrinsic' information to exist in a mayic
> and illusory world, or how he could pose any questions if he lacks
> a self as source for them, or how he can voice them or tap them
> out if his (for Robin nonexistent) dynamically recursive emergent
> self cannot exercise executive decisional control over his
> subsequent actions doing so.
Take Joe's word for it, or look at the website and make up your own
mind, or just forget it -- the choice is your's.
-- Robin Faichney Get your Meta-Information from http://www.ii01.org (CAUTION: contains philosophy, may cause heads to spin)=============================================================== This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing) see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
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