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Mark Mills wrote:
>
> John,
>
> At 12:28 PM 5/7/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > > If all people have a similar set of conceptual dispositions, dispostions to
> > > create stories for instance, then one can lead a 'listener' through an
> > > exercise in perceptional chains with somewhat predictable results. The
> > > message may not be one that can be 'spoken,' but a predictable mental state
> > > may be replicated (communicated) to the listener.
> >
> >Sure - but this is not memetics; it is evolutionary psychology.
>
> It is neural memetics.
Whatever - it seems unnecessary to invent yet another discipline when
the one is having enough trouble getting funding :-)
>
> >Within
> >the generalised constraints of being human, memes are propagated in
> >similar (enough) ways to all humans irrespective of biology, and so the
> >operant protocol is what counts for meaning.
>
> What do you think puts this 'operant protocol' into the human head? Or, is
> that even necessary?
I'm going to get all Marxian on you - society is to blame :-) See my
What's in a Meme essay for how I read it.
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