Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id VAA14820 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:22:46 +0100 From: <joedees@bellsouth.net> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:25:07 -0500 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The Tipping Point Message-ID: <3AED83D3.26644.747DF5@localhost> In-reply-to: <20010430184239.B642@ii01.org> References: <20010429231044.AAA24405@camailp.harvard.edu@[205.240.180.44]>; from wade_smith@harvard.edu on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 07:10:44PM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On 30 Apr 2001, at 18:42, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 07:10:44PM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> > Hi Joe E. Dees -
> >
> > >> Perhaps you could just indicate whether you're now prepared to
> > >> accept diagonal causation.
> > >>
> > >No. Im willing to accept that decisions affect subsequent
> > >decisions horizontally, and that neural events effect subsequent
> > >neural events horizontally, but add that decisions and neural
> > >events effect each other vertically, and that this is not an
> > >artifact of explanatory levels, but an actual physical phenomenon.
> >
> > Which tells me, I think, that 'diagonal' is not permitted, but,
> > horizontal and vertical are, like the move of knight in chess. There
> > is no crow flying.
>
> Vertical isn't possible, because where one point is directly above
> another -- i.e. the lower one constitutes part of the higher one --
> they are simultaneous, whereas effect always follows cause.
>
And the effect of me going to the store in fifteen minutse follows the
cause of me deciding to do so fifteeen minutes ago, just as the
PET-scan registered selective neural pathway stimulation in the
brain follows a conscious decision to engage in a cognitive tasl
involving those pathways; therefore, top-down and bottom-up
causality are as empirically observed as any other causal facts
...You can lead Robin to this knowledge, but you can't make him
think.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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