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Do you anyone who today identifies him/herself as a Cathar?
I a, thinking of going to SE France this summer to examine the memetic
aspects of the present interest in Catharism.
It is interesting that Cathars, as I understand it, did not write their
doctrine, that it was explained orally by travelling artisanal 'perfects'.
Thus scholars have to rely on the records provided by the inquisition itself
(e.g. the Montaillou study). Do you have a sense of how accurate the
inquisition's rendition might be, or if there are any other authoritative
sources?
- Lawrence
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 2:26 PM
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Subject: RE: cathars
--- "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> wrote:
> On 04/25/01 11:31, Lawrence DeBivort said this-
>
> >I've just been reading a bunch of books about the
> Albigensian/Cathar/Occitan
> >crusade and inquisition.
>
> Of what memetic value is the fact that none of those three names mean
>
> anything to me?
>
> - Wade
Knowing the average quality of US education, I am not surprised that
the names mean nothing. :) (US is the country where even priests refer
to Jesus as J.C. :)
Seriously, though, some of the ideas that sprung from the Cathar heresy
are very much alive, and widespread in normal population. I recently
talked to a very religious Christian girl (here in Dakota), who
although nominaly Lutheran, didn't have a clue that her belief that she
will upon death become one with Christ, in body and soul, is *not*
normal Lutheran doctrine. She actually said that when she dies she will
go *back* to Christ, thus in effect implying that she *is* Christ, or
at least part of Him, in this world.
If I remember correctly, Cathars thought that every man and women can
become as holy as Jesus, by renouncing the material values of this
world...
When she read some of the Cathar beliefs, she was surprised just how
much they agreed with the religion she followed...funny...Cathars in
North Dakota...:)
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There are very few man - and they are exceptions - who are able to think and
feel beyond the present moment.
Carl von Clausewitz
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