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I've just been reading a bunch of books about the Albigensian/Cathar/Occitan
crusade and inquisition. The things that strike me repeatedly are 1) how
socially inoffensive the Cathars were, 2) how convinced the inquisitors were
that they were saving the souls of the heretics whether through recantation
or execution, and 3) how powerless the local political leadership was to
protect its Cathar population.
Cathar beliefs lasted well after the crusades that nominally wiped out
Catharism, and some belief that they continued to persist even after the
inquisition. The nature of Cathar organization makes it impossible to
confirm that they were eradicated, particularly as there were Cathar
'chapters' outside the Langue d'Oc area. It is an intriguing organization,
with great implications for memetic distribution and persistence. A
romantic might even be tempted to speculate that Cathar descendancy exists
today.
- Lawrence
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From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
Of Vincent Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:36 AM
To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
Subject: RE: The Status of Memetics as a Science
<Without religion you wouldn't have Bach's music.>
I don't think Bach makes up for the Inquisition.
Vincent
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