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On 20 Apr 2001, at 9:44, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> On 04/19/01 18:11, joedees@bellsouth.net said this-
>
> >Some complex concepts simply cannot be translated into simpler
> >systems; if you think that they can, then supply me with a
> >molecular conception of self-consciousness.
>
> Ain't a molecular conception _less_ simple? The simple conception is,
> um, "god gave me a soul" - it is highly complex and involved to
> organize the physics of molecular interactions to explain anything,
> much less self-consciousness.
>
The molecular system is much lower-level, that is, composed of far
simpler constituents, than the level at which self-conscious
awareness, freely willed action/volition and arbitrary assignation of
symbolicity occurs, thus any attempted explanation of such
phenomena using the concepts and categories of the molecular
level would be doomed to failure from the start, as molecular level
concepts and categories possess no explanatory power on the
dynamically recursive emergent self level.
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