Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id XAA04400 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:01:07 +0100 Message-ID: <10be01c0c5f6$e9d2b1e0$235c2a42@jrmolloy> From: "J. R. Molloy" <jr@shasta.com> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <20010412174006.AAA21510%camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]><002301c0c51b$86290d00$db02bed4@default> <0aed01c0c5b0$131da600$235c2a42@jrmolloy> <000701c0c5e5$1d7eb640$dd03bed4@default> Subject: Re: Is Suicide Contagious? A Case Study in Applied Memetics Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:56:19 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
OK, Thanks for your help, Kenneth.
--J. R.
Useless hypotheses:
consciousness, phlogiston, philosophy, vitalism, mind, free will, qualia,
analog computing, cultural relativism
Everything that can happen has already happened, not just once,
but an infinite number of times, and will continue to do so forever.
(Everything that can happen = more than anyone can imagine.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Is Suicide Contagious? A Case Study in Applied Memetics
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> From: J. R. Molloy <jr@shasta.com>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Is Suicide Contagious? A Case Study in Applied Memetics
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> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
> > The bias where I work with to understand this all, is by Van Heeringen,
> > a Dutch professor who works in the Academic Clinic, Ghent.
> > I suppose he has a webside...
>
> Apparently van Heeringen works mostly with homosexuals.
>
> << I am sorry to say but here you are not completely intellectual honest.
> Van Heeringen don 't work mostly with homosexuals, what an idea !!
> It is just that suicide or suicide attempts are more frequently by homo-
> sexuals.
> One rapport mentions that by 404 youngsters ( all homosexual) 25 % of
> the bisexual and lesbian girls tried at least ones to commit suicide.
> For boys that is 12, 4 %.
> For hetero's: girls 5, 4 % for boys 5, 9 %
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> 45 % of the quetioned girls thinks sometimes at committing suicide, for
> boys that is 33, 3 %.
> By hetero's is that respectivibly 24,3 % and 16,1 %
> Especially the girls form a very delicate group within the group of young-
> sters. They try more to commit suicide than boys. For boys it counts that
> the attempt ends up more into death.
> See,
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> http://openuniv.rug.ac.be/ned/upv/activiteiten/zelfmoord.htm
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> Le laboratoire de Psychologie Médicale
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> http://www.iph.fgov.be/epidemic/morbidat/NL/shortcut.htm
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> or E- mail, cornelis.vanheeringen@rug.ac.be
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> http://www.uke.uni-
> hamburg.de/Clinics/Psych/TZS/suiridalitaet/daten/frame_e.
> html
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> http://www.uni-wuerzburg.de/IASR/suicide-rates.html
>
> I speculate that one of the elements of suicidal contagion is high IQ, since
> there is a correlation between IQ and suicide. Of course, without
> intelligence, memes don't propagate at all, so what I'm referring to here is
> intelligence that deals with abstractions.
>
> << From what I know about this stuff ( and that is a lot) there may be
> a correlation between IQ and suicide but not in the pespective you have
> put it.
> The role of genetic and biological (f)actors is only one of the six
> attention-
> points where we must concentrate ourselves onto.
> The other five are,
>
> The influence of sociocultural characteristics
> Psychiatric risk factors like depression
> The sentivity for social stresses
> Treshold diminising factors like drugs and alcoholabuse and de existence
> of suicidal examples
> The effectiviness of prevential methodes towards suicidal behavior.
>
> In which a high IQ may play a role but not the one...
>
> Recent inquires show that an important element is the suicidal proces.
> The proces consist out of observable and non- observable characteristics
> which lead up to clues for an underlying predisposition.
>
> Best,
>
> Kenneth
>
> ( I am, because we are) not suicidal
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