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Since I hold Superdeterminism necessary and sufficient for freedom, my
position, precisely, is that omniscience would narrow down choices to the
one optimal decision. Never the less, this would be, indeed, empowering, of
course.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: Determinism
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:41 PM
> Subject: RE: Determinism
> > Besides, I don't much like this designation of freedom as lack of
> > knowledge, which is essentially what's being stated. Perhaps I'm
thinking
> > too much about the concept in terms of its usage in political
philosophy.
>
> Hi Vincent, Aaron and all,
>
> << The implication of freedom as sheer perversity due to the fact of
lacking
> knowledge is not a todays argument. The first time I heard this fear being
> expressed was years ago by Delors, a French politician who commented
> the uprise of the information- networks like Internet.
> People who has not the possible to get access to the information- highway
> were, in some respect " lesser free " than others. Great opportunities,
like
> festivals, good books, movies, etc were getting them by due to the lack
> of getting access to the propagation ways by which those information
> travels.
>
> Todays political philosophies are trying in conter- acting the
possibility,
> to
> get everyone on the information- highway.
> Kids, schools, oldery people,... are getting connected to the Internet.
> The government is trying to set up in every club, in every place where
> youngsters get together, a computer with an Internet- connection.
>
> Knowledge, as you desribes it, is IMO more as the mind stuff we
> need to understand this. If that is the thing you mean, than indeed it is
> sheer perversity but neathless to say a very understandable one.
> Intellect in general, has no time, has no reason to look into the
> implications
> of having less or more knowledge.
> Having more or lesser freedom is not only a result of having more or
> lesser knowledge or the urge to get access to it, but is also a result of
> genetic, memetic, social, cultural,... characteristics.
>
> Besides, if we look at an example, we see that indeed the lack of
knowledge
> means lesser freedom. The woman in Afghanistan know all about this.
> On the other hand, being dumb means maybe having lesser freedom, but
> it is all a question of perspective. We, with all our knowledge are we
free
> !?
> The dumb one may have lesser freedom as we see it, but is he really lesser
> free !? In his mind, would it raise questions !? I wonder,....
>
> Best,
>
> Kenneth
>
> ( I am, because we are) free
>
>
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