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On 14 Apr 2001, at 11:31, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 04:59:45PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > On 13 Apr 2001, at 16:38, Robin Faichney wrote: > > > So we can't
> actually trace causality, but we can suppose it to exist > > wherever
> it seems to be required? That's convenient. > > > We can't specify
> which sound wave of the dynamite caused the > avalanche, but we can
> reasonably conclude that the explosion had > something to do with it.
>
> But we don't need either science or philosophy to do that, do we?
> Shouldn't these disciplines allow us to delve somewhat deeper?
>
At any point in history, we can dig only as deep as we can dig, and
we are always attempting to dig deeper, but it is better to admit
what we do and do not know than it is to craft personally
reassuring 'just so' deterministic fictions concerning them which
contradict the evidence we DO have, such as voluminous PET-
scan verification of human cognitive top-down causation, and P-E
pairs. As time goes on, we'll continue to refine our knowledge of
the structure/function of the human brain, and get closer to putting
our finger on the (metaphorically speaking) particular sound wave
that triggers a particular avalanche; we are already at the point
where we can pair avalanches and explosions (this PET-scan
shows someone reading a text, this one shows someone listening
to music, etc.).
> --
> Robin Faichney
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