Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id UAA28706 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:45:52 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:40:51 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Determinism Message-ID: <20010413204051.B2347@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <F21kiyPoHZgzDgtZKpj00005c1f@hotmail.com>; <20010412194507.B1393@reborntechnology.co.uk> <3AD5FDE4.6866.4549B1@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3AD5FDE4.6866.4549B1@localhost>; from joedees@bellsouth.net on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 07:11:32PM -0500 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 07:11:32PM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> The
> simultaneity and instantaneity of cause and effect is not well
> understood outside philosophical circles.
On present evidence, it's not well understood inside them, either.
> In the case of instantaneous
> simultaneous alterations concommitant upon object interqctions, it
> may indeed be improper to label one to be the cause, and the other
> to be the effect, exclusively, and perhaps the terms themselves are
> archaic and misleading, and need to be jettisoned.
Looks like you'll still be clinging to "top-down causation" after the
rest of us have given up causation altogether.
I'd be interested in your thoughts on the notion of causation as
energy flow. See http://www.ii01.org/causation.html It'd be a pity
if you rejected such a potentially fruitful avenue just because of its
temporal aspect, but then again there can be a degree of amusement in
watching certain sorts of people squirm...
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